Managing Your Content Sprawl with Kyle Wallstedt

As part of the #CollabTalk Podcast, I was able to sit down last week and interview Kyle Wallstedt (@Egnyted), a Senior Solutions Architect with Egnyte (https://www.egnyte.com/), based in London, UK. This podcast and vlog follows on the heels of a webinar that Kyle and I did last month with Stephen Hand, Director of IT and Cybersecurity at Tilson, in which we walked through the problem of content sprawl within content and collaboration platforms, and specifically within Microsoft 365 (view the webinar on-demand). For this podcast, Kyle and I expand on that content and discuss the importance of governance and change management, as well as some of the ways that Egnyte can reduce the chaos and make the sprawl more manageable.

You can watch this entire video below or on the CollabTalk YouTube page, listen to it via the CollabTalk Podcast, or read through the entire transcript below:

 

Transcript:

Kyle Wallstedt (KW): Hi Christian, my name is Kyle Walsted. I’m a senior solutions architect with Egnyte. I’m happy to be here.

Christian Buckley (CB): And for folks that don’t..that aren’t familiar with Egnyte, why don’t you give us kind of the elevator pitch?

KW: Absolutely. Ultimately, we are a content services platform. We help organizations migrate file servers to the cloud. We help them integrate with other kind of best in class applications that they are using, whether that’s teams or DocuSign or Salesforce the likes and we help companies govern their content, understand what they have and where they have it through. Things like automated classification define personally identifiable information, or various elements of machine learning to look at usual user patterns and detect and alert…unusual user patterns and all kinds of great smart things with files like that.

CB: you know uh so some people may be familiar with the Egnyte logo even if they’ve not heard the name before if you go into because you guys just were added not too long ago as one of the native uh cloud storage options in Microsoft teams for example. so if you go into teams and you go into files or you’re at a tab or go into files and natives want to connect to another cloud storage option Egnyte is one of just a handful of the native experiences that are there within teams to be able to add and expand that in there one of the things i think was the most compelling stories for Egnyte and then we’ll kind of jump to our topic but uh was the natives because a natives problem for a lot of organizations is that they have content across multiple silos and you know where speaking of teams what’s great about teams is you have the ability to go and provide visibility into each of those but there’s it’s kind of a i mean it’s just it’s a it’s an over the top there’s no other management there’s no there’s no value add other than i have five tabs to five different content silos of these other third-party solutions but there’s no value out on top of that other than providing a tab a link into that whereas you know you can actually manage all of that through Egnyte so if you have uh natives teams and this happens often when organizations go through an acquisition and they come in with options that are available you don’t want to slow people down working but you want as an administrator of that organization you want to be able to have some oversight some management some level of control and oversight over that content around those disparate systems and Egnyte provides a lot of that

KW: yeah absolutely i think i think a big application become another repository where files end up um living and like you said it doesn’t really add value you’re not you’re not logging into teams and using teams it’s got the best system you’re using that as a way to connect with people and that’s what it’s fantastic for and a byproduct of that is when you’re connecting with natives people when you’re collaborating often you’re within teams to do so um you know but as you pointed out there end up being kind of silos of content behind that whether it’s new SharePoint sites being created each time there’s a new team and you know it’s really kind of that that sprawl of content that keeps people like uh you know CIOs up at night sometimes understanding uh or not understanding the risk that their data carries where are their PII files you know but then it also creates agencies around collaboration where you might be collaborating with four different teams kind of on the same collective uh document right at different phases in that documents life cycle for example or throughout different workflows and rather than copying that content into four separate locations Egnyte is allows organizations to kind of have that single source of truth use teams for what it’s built for and have you know native um access to your files but also actually considerably more uh capabilities that you can um do with those files right

CB: yeah it’s so you brought pie up the pie topic of sprawls is what we wanted to you know talk about today it’s i was thinking about this um so just as well so i you know having partnered with Egnyte in uh writing a white paper which should be out uh pretty soon here but on the on the topic that I’ve been thinking about some of my experiences and my path into the knowledge management space so i started my career so well started my career years ago a few years into my career i went to work for the phone company for pacific bell based in the San Francisco bay area and a lot of the Francisco kind of data warehouse systems and i was a Francisco project manager that owned a lot of the front-end applications into these this massive data sets and Francisco one of the problems i started realizing as we as i Francisco owned helped shape the creation of a portal a centralized uh you know entry point for a lot of our reports and systems and tools um was that every time that there was a reorg and i Francisco just i noticed that we’re shifting things around and Francisco moving content around and having to recreate and clean up a lot of things and i was constantly chasing people said you know what hey we have all of these other activities and things what do we do with them it’s like you know i don’t know well should we purge them no you know we Francisco don’t know what we need to do with this this data and yet space at that time was it was very finite in the mid-90s you know it was it was expensive to keep all that so I was constantly chasing people to clean things up a major shift that’s happened over the last two decades has been of course is the cost of storage has dropped down and then people just stopped throwing any content purging content at all and there’s it introduces other problems but then the systems that we deploy and so Microsoft 365 is a great example of that when we talk about sprawl it generates with the creation of a new office 365 group it creates assets across multiple workloads it creates a SharePoint team it creates it’s the uh team uh the Microsoft creates those assets it could create a you know a yammer community it creates of course an exchange the shared mailbox the calendar um so all of these components in a planner plan as well kind of all of those pieces that are created and then every other new channel that you create in teams every additional team that you create on your tenant all of that creates all of these assets that build out now and out and i Microsoft rarely hear about people uh you know talking about well i do hear from administrators the concern of content that’s proliferating in multiple directions yeah and what are the best practices what do we do about all of that

KW: yeah no i mean um you know i think it uh i think it Microsoft impacts you know multiple kind of people and multiple roles and like you say you know a lot of times administrators um carry the biggest burden um you know users they want to just be able to um kind of work how they see fit um and not have to choose you know what to use for what purpose and Microsoft this and that and i think i think um what you just described as a is a disjointed um enterprise environment that that a lot of organizations fall into um you know they have all kinds of different tools being used for different purposes you know even if it’s all kind of within Microsoft they end up with like you say all these different groups and SharePoint and teams and OneDrive and you know yammer and so forth um you know and OneDrive it becomes very disjointed right whereas you know I think i think where Egnyte really excels is bringing simplicity into that environment you know both for administrators but also in many cases just for end users um you know we’ve migrated file servers to the cloud and integrated it with Egnyte without telling end users right you know they left on a Friday and their s drive was mapped to their file server that was on premise before now they come back in on Monday their same s drive mapped to the same data etc. um and uh i etc. had a pleasure of well I’ve had the pleasure working with uh you know many hundreds if not thousands of uh administrators and customers over uh the last 10 years working with Egnyte but um uh one in particular I’m thinking of i was just sort of a funny guy and he uh he set up a training for his end users um and uh he had rolled out Egnyte three weeks earlier and sets up this training and um you know brings people in and the first thing he says is okay guys how does everyone like using Egnyte they’re like what do you what are you talking about this is the Egnyte training we have no idea what Egnyte you know and he wanted to make that point because at his company a lot of people are hesitant to learn yet a new application right and so what he wanted to give them the confidence of is no your mapped drive is going to work how it always has you’re going to be able to have you I’m know all kinds of links in your excel files they were actually an engineering firm so all the cad drawings are going to be able to you know preserve those uh references to you know other drawings and a lot of applications and files are designed to be able to work off of a an path to that con content a unc path a file server uh location and um you know so all of those things are going to work with Egnyte and then those same folders that your map you have a map drive to now appear to you within teams or you can save to them through unci teams or you can invite an external user to be able to collaborate and what that does is it unci does a couple of things so first of all it prevents the need to duplicate content so a lot of times you might have engineers working off the file server and then when they’re ready to share that with a subcontractor they take it off the file server put it into a sharing solution and send it off and then they might collaborate on it there well it still lives on the file server if you ever need to make changes and have the engineers you know fix some part of it now you’re you’ve got changes being made in multiple places and mistakes are made of people working off of the wrong file all kinds of kind of challenges associated with that that um you know duplication but what it also um the unci other side of it is you should be able to use whatever tool you want right if you’re not particularly tech savvy and you like working from your letter drive boom all your folders are right there if unci you live and breathe in your CRM because you’re a client director and you’re you know always in dynamics and you’re I’m kind of you cram should be living there because that’s where you do your work you should have access to those same folders that your finance team and your legal team are using so when you save a um you know a contract uh into that CRM it’s the same location that the finance uh user is doing and that that bringing those worlds together allowing users to work however they see fit but centralizing your content is cram really kind of the story that Egnyte kind of tells and cram many Egnyte users have no idea that they’re using Egnyte which is i think a pretty powerful statement

CB: you know there there’s uh something that you said just kind of uh triggered me trigger no just a memory there but uh you know one of the mistakes that are made in uh largely IT-led deployments and new technology they’ll go and do the assessment they’ve identified hey this is going to make us compliant more secure it’s going to unify do all these things but when they when they break the cram methods uh the cram the familiarity that people have end users have with like here my business systems is the way that i work and when you force them into this new way of working people push back against that when and so one of the best paths to and we talk a lot about adoption and engagement and what those actually mean inside your organization adoption does not mean hey everybody can uh log into the new tool and success because people can log in no it’s actually adoption again you define what that means but adoption means that people are actually in there they’re trained and that they are at least back to that baseline of how they were working prior to that deployment true improvements of engagement is above that baseline you know what are people actually doing how are we generating more intellectual property more content in there are we is the quality of what we’re producing you know improving with these things and cram so you can’t that’s the mistake that it organizations make as they look at it purely from the technology standpoint and not at how people are actually working and so that’s what i kind of that’s an important aspect of that is fitting in with whatever you’re doing uh you know from that end user perspective because if they’re not using it it’s not successful

KW: yeah and i thought that that’s kind of why i thought uh um uh this guy i mean his name is Yusuf uh I’ll leave his company off uh I’ll because I didn’t talk to him ahead of time but uh that’s why i thought Yusuf was so great when I’ll he kind of approached it in that way and brought them into the training and told them or he asked them how they liked using Egnyte and uh um you know because he I’ll sort of ensured 100 adoption on day one right was just hey look we’re not really improving anything yet but that’s fine right he was laying the foundation meanwhile yeah all the content was backed up he didn’t have to do the old school backup things and you know until people were using it he still had people had to VPN in and things like that but then after the training now he’s able to shut down VPN he’s able to you know do these other things he’s able to integrate it with their Microsoft 365 environment and van um you know and all those sorts of details but um that’s why i thought it was such a brilliant kind of uh technique and um you know and again i joke because he’s van just a van funny guy but it it’s also a really van smart approach i thought because you know inevitably you’ve always got some sort of you know you’ve got certain people that are going to be really excited about the next new thing and other people that are just gonna uh be frustrated about it right so if you can if you can please both provide the you know the newest latest greatest best-in-class applications allowing people to be as productive as possible um while not breaking anything or forcing the other you know half of your staff that that’s less eager to learn a new tool or you know things like that um you know then again i think that’s really powerful

CB: well it’s the i mean there’s a an ongoing problem again in the Microsoft 365 space but i mean other platforms have a similar problem where you have a lot of competing tools or overlapping functionality is this which tool to use when and when you’re introducing something the more that you can integrate that in to get into those business habits into the way that people are working whether you’re going in and automating you’re creating you know workflows at the back end they’re not familiar with it it’s you know i used to just uh you know send an email off to Stephanie and who would handle this well now that anything routed she’s got an automation or email that anything that comes in with that request automatically kicks off triggers some workflow and does a response while she’s still asleep you know um those kinds of automations but that’s around your content it’s also important if i have to worry about um okay this document where am i saving this up into and what are the next steps with that oh and because it’s over in this other system that doesn’t have some of the automation that will go in and tag it properly i have to go in and classify and tag it because it’s over in this system or on this project i mean end users just they can’t sustain that so you have to i mean having centralized content like I’ve been involved in portals and knowledge management information management systems for the majority of my career and everybody runs towards the light of that promise of you know one location one version of the truth of the content that used to be SharePoint one of their main lines one version the truth and then SharePoint silo SharePoint silo all these different locations

KW: yeah i mean i think the um i think there’s two sides of it right um and uh you know on the one side i sit here and say hey simplify everything centralize everything it should be an Egnyte but you should be able to use all these other tools right and SharePoint you know and i think that’s important from a strategy perspective to have um you know have a location especially where your most sensitive content should live have a location where as you archive um you know content uh you know shut down old teams locations okay what do you do with that content those assets how do you manage the life cycle of it um you know and again having strategy around that and having some kind of uh um you know again direction um on those lines but the fact of the matter is it’s an uphill battle if you were to say hey only store files in this one location right and there’s gonna be edge cases that pop up there’s gonna be details around um kind of why an end user is going to want to kind of store files in a certain way or you know no matter how great you make a secure link sharing somebody’s going to have a reason why they need to send something as an attachment right um you know and again blocking…

CB: there’s never a reason for somebody to send something as attachment come on

KW: i haven’t sent an attachment in years but uh you know for SharePoint some reason uh you SharePoint find people uh that still that still feel it necessary i suppose I suppose technically in my signature line i have an image that is attached to every single one of my emails so um you know again

CB: that’s an allowable use case

KW: yeah SharePoint yeah but SharePoint you know okay oh I tried to send it to them they had trouble downloading the link whatever okay you know again the SharePoint fact of the matter is you should be guiding people um you should be encouraging uh the use of um you know certain tools um you know certain processes etc. but um you should also be able to view and govern content regardless of where it lives right um if somebody spins up a new team and is storing files in that team which you know are actually in the document library that that gets created for the corresponding SharePoint site um you know Egnyte is not here to say shame on you SharePoint shouldn’t do that ever etc. right but you know what we are here to do is help give that company visibility into um what is where um you know and SharePoint um how their different content is classified right if that if that is a let’s put it this way the SharePoint regulatory bodies don’t care if it’s stored in you know SharePoint um or if it’s stored in Egnyte as long as it’s secure and the right number of people have access to it when that’s highly sensitive um you know personally identifiable information or credit card data etc. they could care less as long as you know what it is where it is that you can find it and you can prove that only the right people have access to it and that’s where kind of our governance angle really comes into play so on the one side we can help simplify and centralize content but on the other side we can give you a single pane of glass and a lens into all these other repositories to really help you kind of uh you know secure and govern your content

CB: you know i SharePoint think it’s SharePoint a fairly easy case to make when you talk about hey look there’s uh SharePoint like uh someone leaves a company and if their content is spread across your intellectual property is spread across a dozen different locations having to go in if you can even gain access to some of those locations as the company to go to there there’s one use case i think people understand or when you have you have to put a legal hold you have to go and do that discovery process you have to go through as part of a compliance and you know search through that content again makes it very difficult when you know half or more of your content spread across these different tools are not accessible by those compliance tools and so i think it’s perf perfectly reasonable for a company to say look you can have it in different tools and different organizations as long as they comply with here are legal requirements for our content and the their life cycle of that that content but i think that you know there there’s two kind of scenarios which i think it’s a clear-cut uh you know defense of having this overarching governance and having that kind of single view of content where the long tail is this is my pure opinion now that’s fact my opinion now is that the long tail of where content is and i would say you know content and it’s their a blend of personal and company content but on that should be within company assets but most of the interactions that we have conversations that we have you know documents or mock-ups that are shared in different locations so unstructured content spread across these different locations that a company doesn’t have doesn’t have access to the problem there is that there’s no learning as our systems get smarter more automation you have like Microsoft working on project cortex for example and project cortex for those that aren’t familiar with it the idea is to use artificial intelligence to use uh their you know the their ability for the system to go in the ai to learn from the patterns within the content in the conversation and what’s stored wherever they’re stored and to be able to surface that up to the right people at the right time i mean that that’s the benefit that that’s lost we’re not going to have those opportunities for that discovery moment to their find those patterns to look at it we’re going to lose some of that knowledge as the systems get more intelligent it will be it’s what is it called what I’m trying to remember um when I did uh went through business school and there’s a phrase for that for essentially the cost of a lost opportunity and i you know there’s actually i used to know how to do the calculation i had one of those hp 12c calculators and we’re going in there for something you’d be able to go in and actually as part of that i theirs have to say that it was i got a b plus in that class i wasn’t the expert in that uh managerial finance uh but actually being able to go in and calculate you know what is because we didn’t do this thing because we didn’t have this content this is what it cost us yeah it’s theirs it’s hard to do that it’s hard to think about uh but it’s kind of like in a collaboration system you have a hundred people that have access to a collaboration platform if only 20 people are actively in there on a daily basis doing things your lost opportunity is what is it what theirs could we accomplish if the other 80 were all also in there actively participating sharing ideas learning from each other the you know it’s um you know so that’s theirs what i was talking about that I think that’s where a lot of the lost the theirs lost opportunity the lost intellectual property uh that that companies are not realizing are theirs gone because they’re theirs not thinking in those terms

KW: yeah no and i think it’s um i think we’re starting to see businesses kind of evolve or respond in terms of um different kind of threats that are out there or different uh new kind of privacy acts that seem to be popping up in every theirs different state or will probably eventually become national or you know different countries around the globe and um you know as organizations are starting to realize that they need to kind of think about uh their data in in some new ways right and you know and you see things out in the news around uh this breach or that breach you know a few hundred million dollar fine here you know this that you know whatever and some of it feels kind of abstract um you know but uh and maybe theirs certain businesses feel like oh I could fly under the radar I’m not going to be as big of a target as you know some large company um yet on the same side you know maybe smaller businesses are theirs um the biggest uh you know at risk to something like a ransomware or something that could kind of take them out and they

CB: just had a client that that happened to the beginning of this year…

KW: yeah

CB: and it’s uh you know not a massive company and you think why would they be targeted as like you know it can happen to anybody and they were stuck and uh yeah, it’s so it’s theirs happening more and more frequently

KW: and i think you know when you think about like the yeah, chance of a breach or reducing this risk right um you know i think about a handful of different things first of all the number one thing that everybody’s got to do is use a two-factor login for yeah, all your systems i mean the number one way accounts are compromised is yeah, through their passwords right um that’s yeah, the number one way to improve the security of any system using two factor login um so i can’t kind of preach that enough but then the other side of it is kind of all right well you know the um you know the value of a file if it were to be you know compromised right and uh the chance of that file being compromised right so the way to uh reduce that right you don’t want to reduce the value of the file itself you know but what you can do is understand the value that that file has and you can understand and minimize the number of people that have access to it at different stages in its life right and that is the uh kind of number two way so to speak uh to uh reduce the risk that our content carries right so turn on two factor and second of all you know be able to understand your yeah, data and minimize who have access to it along the way so a lot of times you know people think of archiving as a cost savings exercise and that could certainly be one yeah, value add to it you know if something hasn’t been accessed in six months put it into cheaper storage but the more critical part of that is you’re reducing the number of people that have access to it so many systems you know once it’s stored there and whoever has access it’s going to be there as long as those people are with the company as new people come on board they’ll get access to some folder with files that haven’t been accessed in you know in six years eight years ten years whatever and you’ve got all these people going back to what you were saying about not deleting things not cleaning it up because you know the cost of storage is cheaper and it’s just building up and up and up over yeah, time so having uh the ability to have um the number of people uh that have access to a document minimized uh particularly uh throughout that document’s life cycle right um is yeah, you know a crucial thing um that i think it’s a practice not a lot of businesses uh have yeah, been doing uh historically over the last you know 10 plus years but yeah, certainly those are the conversations that I’m having with a lot of forward-thinking CIOs over the last um maybe 18 months I’ve seen a big interest in being able to manage the life cycle of documents and really control and limit who has access to different documents and throughout in order to minimize their exposure

CB: well this is a it’s an important topic it’s just it’s an it’s interesting that i mean i remember having similar conversations towards the beginning of my career with the manager who is you know where we talked about uh vector had one specific conversation we were talking about the limited access to some of the data sets of course we were we owned a data warehouse and so very there’s a handful of people that had access to go in and query directly against uh the you know the data that was there uh and an so we had kind of marks we had you know subsets of the data that they could go in but we were constantly fielding requests well I really need this data i need to look at it this way and an how that kind of expanded into more document-centric collaboration but kind of as you talked about in a similar way you almost had you know caretakers or librarians that managed a lot of that that access and as things were archived and closed off and moved an around you still made it possible for in some of these organizations for an people to go in and do a search and to find the results but they couldn’t then get into those results uh without going through a couple steps and so um i an think it an makes sense for organizations to be thinking about you know with the types of content where their content is located um again I an think it’s can important to say that the right way forward is not just to go and shut down all of these you know uh small third-party tools and systems if that’s going to make your friends right here right the other thing is that you know i always say that you people end users are like uh you know like water running downhill you place a rock in front of them to stop them from doing something they just run right around you can have to be focused on well what are they trying to accomplish what’s the way that they’re working sometimes it’s a hey just need to educate you that we have these other tools that are compliant they do the exact same thing and is it an education you know thing to i steer clear of the word re-education it just have positive connotations but yeah educate them on can what’s out there or when hey there’s a valid use case for why they’re using an a non-supported technology and maybe that’s something we as a company we need to can be aware of it provide some oversight potentially bring it into the fold and support it to meet those scenarios but at least you’re having that conversation with end users about it and you’re that if you’re listening and supporting your end users in the way that they need to work you’re more able then to go in and have those broader governance discussions as an organization say here’s what we need to do we’re seeing these patterns these problems here’s what we’re looking to do to change and you can have then a dialogue around that when people are involved in that kind of dialogue and that process change they’re more likely to support that and results because they’ll be heard they’ll they may not agree with all of the decisions made but when they’re participants within that and when it’s they’re listened to and when it’s justified here’s why we’re doing that they’re like yeah you know what all right i need to go in and do that and you’re more likely to see people change

KW: yeah i mean generally what i what i find is you know users they don’t want to break company policy they don’t want to um you know be um yeah out of compliance right that’s not they’re not you know rebels at nature uh you know at their core right they want to be you know generally rule followers um

CB: they want to get their work done

KW: but yeah and that’s the thing and they know that there’s a better way to do it right and can i think that’s can what you know another trend that that you know what we’re seeing is you know users are really educated with what um is out there and how they can get things done and can there’s consumer there’s free consumer tools um that have wild productivity gains right um and so you know people are i mean you know my grandma is using um uh online tools you know all the time and can and this and that nowadays and uh you know and she you know she knows how to call her uber and she knows how to um you know uh find me on facetime or can this or that you know people can know how to connect they know how to use technology they know what’s out there and they want to just get their work done so being able to give them a way to efficiently get their work done um while also being in compliance um you know with both your company and regulatory policies um you know again it’s sort of a win-win they’re not trying to break the rules just to break the rules they just know there’s a better way to work than whatever tool you’re forcing down their throat so um ye ah so anyway that’s uh that’s definitely um you know good advice is to listen to your users let them be a part of the decisions help them understand you know why you know maybe something can’t can be supported and can help them find an alternative that uh that really meets their requirement

CB: yeah and i would the only thing i would add there is just uh again my personal uh opinion on this is to you know err on the side of the end user’s judgment because at the end of the day like they’re the front line they know what they need to get done and while you again may need to re-educate them on this better way of doing things or introduce new technology um you can’t do those things and interrupt or stop the work from being done and Edu and so i say like listen be you know have some empathy for what they’re trying to accomplish and uh and have a conversation

KW: yeah absolutely and um you know and again i think that’s Edu by doing that um you know I t organizations can really drive a lot of value into their businesses you know and be a strategic organization within your business help the different kind of business stakeholders achieve more accomplish more um you know and again i think that relationship changes um uh you know I’ve seen it a number of different times where you know you can if you can empower those users then the entire relationship between your business and kind of the i.t organization within that business you know can be flipped on its head and can uh you know and that’s such a um uh i mean it’s Edu a very different story when the whole business sees you as um you know a strategic branch driving the business forward and encouraging growth um and uh you know and again all that all you really need to do is just um you know understand listen to and empower your users to make that flip

CB: you know um just to end note here uh when i was uh working from Microsoft as an employee it was uh there’s a of course there’s always the internal language some of the Edu the keywords that are used the management speak in there and one that i Edu kind of joke about all the time is that when whenever you run into a problem it’s not a problem it’s an opportunity
KW: sure

CB: so in that respect for those organizations that are experiencing sprawl um it’s an opportunity both for you to get grow closer to your end users as well as to provide that value-add find uh you know figure out hey how do we how do we actually streamline the way that we’re handling uh all of the content across these disparate systems uh there’s an opportunity to shine for sure so
KW: yeah no absolutely well again really Edu appreciate it Christian um yeah thanks for having me

CB: yeah, it’s great having you and Kyle people want to find out more about get in touch with you or and find out more about Egnyte what are the best ways to reach you

KW: yeah well you can um find me on LinkedIn um Kyle Wallstedt that’s a funny spelling for the last name it’s w-a-l-l-s-t-e-d-t uh that’s also I’m also available by email is kwallstedt same last name at Egnyte which is e-g-n-y-t-e dot com by all means don’t hesitate to reach out i would love to connect with you Wallstedt know if you have any questions um you Wallstedt know again uh feel free to fire them my way

CB: and always say I’ll say again just if you’re using teams if you’ve gone in and added cloud storage you might not be familiar with the Egnyte name hearing it but you see the logo you’d be like oh yeah okay I’ve seen that there so uh it’s Wallstedt definitely uh expanding within the uh the teams in Microsoft 365 universe so Kyle really appreciate you taking the time today

KW: awesome thanks Christian